. >> bill: religion crew. >> disparagement. joe the plumber doesn't. he doesn't have a pickup truck. there seems to be a real dissociation between him and the hoypaloy. >> bill: do you think it has to do with grievance. in some african-americans african-american communities there are grievants to whites that aren't pathetic to their cause. that might be driving a little bit of it. there are some african-americans who believe that the reason they are not prospering as a community, all right. is because society hasn't done enough and the reason it hasn't done enough is because of rich white guys? >> no. i don't think of it like that with obama. i think of him as one was those swells who looks down at people aren't up to speed intellectually with him. i don't get a color thing off of him. i know that crowd: they sit around and they, you know, they have jack henry abbot and norman there. >> and canopies? >> and all that stuff. >> bill: you have ever had a canopy at your house? i don't even know what a canopy is. >> the thing you put over the picnic table w